>>chris: the head of the n.r.a., wayne lapierre. >>chris: mr. lapierre thanks for join us. you heard captain talking about the background checks and since 19991.7 million people have failed background checks and been denied guns. i know you point out criminals the not go through the background checks there are other ways, a black market will be out there to get guns but if 1.7 million people have already been denied guns, doesn't that make people safer? >>guest: i have all the respect in the world for the captain and what happened to his family should never happen to any family. we all want to stop it. let me talk about the proposal of president obama and people like mayor bloomberg are putting forward. first, your question is, i don't think you can say the 1.7 million people have been stopped from getting a gun because the government did not prosecutor any of them, they let them walk in, they were denied and they walked out. who thinks if they wanted to commit a crime they did not go on and get a gun. >>chris: it seems if 1.7 million were denied, i understand the hardened